CARRS LANDING SECTOR PLAN

OPEN HOUSE

 

Date:                         October 6th 2005

Location:                         Camp Arbuckle,

Time:                         5:00 p.m.

 

Attendees:                         Joanne DeVries, Facilitator

                        Chuck Price, Chair of Land Use Focus Group, Chair of Steering Committee

                        Ken Kinswater, Chair of Carr’s Landing Community & Recreation                        Association

                        Mark Decker, Chair of Parks & Recreation Focus Group

                        Stan Brynjolfson, Chair of Environmental Issues Focus Group

                        Frits Bakker, Chair of Infrastructure Focus Group

 

 

There were approximately 50 people in attendance.

 

Joanne DeVries thanked everyone for attending and called the meeting to order at 5:03 p.m. 

 

Joanne presented background information on the Carrs Landing Sector Plan and reviewed pages 2 and 3 of the Power Point presentation.  She informed the audience that the plan presented at this meeting is only a draft and will not be the final plan presented to the District of Lake Country.  She also advised that all questions and comments will be recorded and included as an appendix forming part of the final plan.

 

Ken Kinswater, Chairman of the Carr’s Landing Community & Recreation Association provided a brief presentation, advising the audience that this meeting is an information gathering process in order to compile a draft sector plan.  Mr. Kinswater asked that everyone respect the views of the Steering Committee and vice versa and asked that personal feelings be set aside and not cloud the issue at hand.  Mr. Kinswater advised that once the information has been compiled, the Committee will strive to make informed decisions for the betterment of the sector plan.

 

Mark Decker, Chair of Parks & Recreation Focus Group, provided an overview of parks and recreation issues, pages 7 to 17 of the Power Point presentation.

 

Jim Pitura, 12810 Carrs Landing Road

·        Asked if the Lakes Development plans for parks were considered in the Carrs Landing Sector plan.

·        Mr. Decker advised that the Committee was aware of the Lakes development, although the development of the Carrs Landing parks are independent from the Lakes.

·        Mr. Pitura has heard that some parks being planned for the Lakes development might come down to Carrs Landing Road.

·        Mr. Decker has not been informed of anything in that regards at this point in time. During the Lakes development proposals, it was advised that they are intending to build trails but no one has approached the Carrs Landing Committee.

·        Mr. Pitura questioned the parkland proposed in Pixton Beach Resort and inquired if anything has been looked at for a potential boat launch outside of Marshall Park.

·        Mr. Decker advised that there is currently a foreshore in existence at Pixton Beach, and that if the area is currently designated as a conservation area, it will not be used as a boat launch.

 

Murray Thom, 17212 Coral Beach Road

·        Mr. Thom asked if in discussions with CORD, a boat launch would be possible at Kopje.

·        Mr. Decker advised that as Kopje currently exists it wouldn’t fit. If the property south of Kopje became available that would provide better potential.

·        Efforts in that area have been concentrated on the foreshore.

 

Stan  Brynjolfson Chair of Environmental Issues Focus Group, provided an overview of the environmental issues, pages 18 to 33 of the Power Point presentation.

 

Murray Thom, 17212 Coral Beach Road

·        Mr. Thom asked if it was known what percentage of the survey results were from electors of the Carr’s Landing area.

·        700 surveys were mailed out to property owners, 2 to each household and 371 responses were returned.

·        Not every household had 2 eligible persons to respond to the survey.

 

Frits Bakker, Chair of Infrastructure Focus Group provided an overview of infrastructure issues, pages 34 to 40 of the Power Point presentation.

 

Murray Thom, 17212 Coral Beach Road

·        Asked if the Steering Committee was aware of the new regulations in regards to water services and the treatment processes recently implemented by Interior Health?

·        The Committee advised that they were not aware of them at the beginning of the project but they are now aware of the new regulations.

 

Jim Pitura, 12810 Carr’s Landing Road

·        Do you know the percentages of community residences on private, public or individual water systems?

·        Not in percentages.  A guess as to percentages would be: 10-15% on public (DLC), 40% on private and the remainder on individual systems.

 

Larry Crosby, 15590 Whisky Cove Road

·        Will the infrastructure begin in the South end of Carrs Landing in order to implement road maintenance, as that portion of the road will not be able to sustain heavy traffic?

·        Mr. Bakker thanked Mr. Crosby for bringing up that point as it definitely has merit and will be addressed.

 

 

 

 

Tony Lockhurst, Kelowna resident, Carrs Landing property owner

·        Is the Steering Committee recommending how to solve water issues in the area?

·        The Committee is not recommending how to solve private system improvements as those are financial issues that have been left with the DLC at this point in time.

·        The DLC has been able to appoint a certain amount of money for DCC’s, are you recommending that amount be increased?

·        The Committee has not approached specific financial details with the DLC.

·        Financial implications would hinge on the developer paying into a project.

 

Jerry Morten, 16575 Toby Road

·        Mr. Morton addressed issues brought forward by Tony Lockhurst and advised that the Committee can propose a financial infrastructure upgrade plan to the DLC.

·        Mr. Lockhurst advised that at least this is an avenue to get results.

·        It was suggested from the floor that at this moment the DLC’s main priority for using DCC’s is Main Street construction.

·        Has the DLC been addressed as to putting DCC costs toward the areas lacking infrastructure?

 

Mr. Chuck Price, Chair of Land Use Focus Group and Chair of Steering Committee provided an overview of the land use issues, pages 41 - 46 of the Power Point presentation.

 

Bill Horton,  17490 Coral Beach Road

·        Mr. Horton questioned the Juniper Cove Road proposal, as there is very little development potential due to the slope of the land. 

·        Most of the land has been subject to previous development proposals that were strongly opposed by residents of the area.

·        The survey asked if residents are in favor of increased density in map area 6, Juniper Cover Road, and the results showed the majority of people are in favor of somewhat higher density.

·        Mr. Horton suggested a further look at the responses to that specific question.

·        Joanne DeVries advised that area 6 is defined as a status-quo neighborhood, which recommends the zoning remain the same.

·        Slide 49 contains an error.

 

Murray Thom, 17212 Coral Beach Road

·        What areas are you recommending for change in Coral Beach?

·        The Committee is recommending the 3 vacant lots for change in area 10 with no change to the agricultural areas.

·        Mr. Thom believes part of the confusion is the minimum R1 lot size.  Coral Beach lots are .2  acres which provides a significant difference in potential house size.

·        Mr. Thom suggested that the Committee define a larger minimum lot size in order to gain more community support.

·        Mr. Thom will send an email with more details.

 


Larry Crosby, 15590 Whisky Cove Road

·        Mr. Crosby expressed the opinion that there has already been a lot of time spent fighting development proposals in the Juniper Cove and Whisky Cove areas.

·        Previous proposals determined that the vast majority of the community did not want to see urban growth in rural areas.

·        The current Sector Plan land use seems to invite development that the community has already spent many hours fighting against.

·        Mr. Crosby expressed that the reason for implementing a Sector Plan is to enable the community to not have to go through the same fight each time a development proposal is brought forward.

·        Mr. Crosby would like to know if the Steering Committee is going to conduct another survey in order to determine if the results from the current survey are accurate.

·        Mr. Crosby believes that the current survey results misrepresent the community and that it is critical to determine if the results are accurate.

·        Mr. Price advised that the Committee is not planning another survey at this time.

 

Janette Lambert, 16370 Carrs Landing Road

·        Expressed concern that the Sector Plan is not going in the direction originally intended would like to know when and how the community can voice their opinions to let the Committee know their thoughts. 

·        Joanne advised that is the reason for the open house and encouraged people to put in their comments by filling out a comment form, sending an email or going online.

 

Dave Woollerton, 14330 Carr’s Landing Road

·        The survey question asking if the community would accept higher density, was not clear as to the definition of higher density.

·        Advised that his thoughts were similar to Larry Crosby’s in the respect that the survey results are not accurate.

 

Jim Pitura, 12810 Carr’s Landing Road

·        Expressed that the general opinion seems to be that if the community gets more developers, we get more dollars, and if we get more dollars we get more amenities.

·        It is currently hard to get support from Mayor and Council in regards to putting revenue into the community.

·        What is the thought pattern on linking development in the community leading to more money in the community?

·        Mr. Price advised that the Sector Plan does not deal with revenues coming back to the community.

           

Ched Gaglardi, 15001 Barkley Road

·        Pointed out that the large amount of information gathered through questionnaires, meetings etc. has produced very similar results in the original OCP, the revised Sector Plan and the Steering Committee’s current Sector Plan.   This would suggest that the Committee is on the right track.

 

·        Mr. Gaglardi is supportive of surveys as they provide an opportunity for the individual to sit down and consider their answers where public meetings are emotional and on the spot.   Surveys provide better input as to what the community actually wants.

 

Arman, 15560 Carrs Land Road

·        Has been told that he is lucky to live in Carr’s Landing.

·        Believes if it’s not broken, why are we trying to fix it.

·        Scared of the .175 acres, other than that he believes that the Committee is doing a good job.

 

 


CARRS LANDING SECTOR PLAN

OPEN HOUSE

 

 

Date:                         October 6th 2005

Location:                         Camp Arbuckle,

Time:                         7:00 p.m.

 

Attendees:                         Joanne DeVries, Facilitator

                        Chuck Price, Chair of Land Use Focus Group, Chair of Steering Committee

                        Ken Kinswater, Chair of Carr’s Landing Community & Recreation Association

                        Mark Decker, Chair of Parks & Recreation Focus Group

                        Stan Brynjolfson, Chair of Environmental Issues Focus Group

                        Frits Bakker, Chair of Infrastructure Focus Group

 

There were approximately 40 people in attendance.

 

The facilitator, Joanne DeVries, thanked everyone for attending and called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m.

 

Hans Gubler, 13874 Moberly Road

·        Mr. Gubler would like to know who owns the proposed conservation area indicated on the map?

·        The land is Crown Land.

 

      Wendy Monteith,  15050 Carrs Landing Road

·        Ms. Monteith understands that agriculture is required in the community, although she has concerns over coexisting with farmers that do not attend community meetings and refuse to communicate. 

·        Ms. Monteith lives adjacent to an orchard and puts up with many dead deer each year due to the orchard fencing.

·        Ms. Monteith would like to know how the community is going to balance agriculture and residential.

·        These issues can be addressed to Council and the Agricultural Committee. Hopefully they will be addressed and the appropriate actions taken.

 

      John Macdonald, 9522 Main Street

·        The air quality in Lake Country is very poor.

·        Would like to know what the Committee is doing about wood stoves and other burning in the area.

·        Mr. Macdonald believes that residents should be involved and embrace air quality.

 

      Ched Gaglardi, 15001 Barkley Road

·        Would like to see a larger emphasis on fire protection and water flow on Eastside Road and the hillside.

      Evelyn Mulders, 14808 Carrs Landing Road

·        Expressed a concern over agriculture noise pollution from the orchards.

 

      Julie Thomson, 17938 Juniper Cove Road

·        Expressed concern in regards to septic field failures and would like to see an integrated sewage system before the water quality begins to deteriorate. 

 

      Rick Davidson, 14324 Moberly Road

·        Expressed concern in regards to using Moberly Road as an alternative access/exit to the area.

·        Mr. Davidson believes this is not a good route due to elevation and a poor road conditions.

·        At this point the Committee has not provided any directive to DLC as to where an alternative access road will go although it is very important to have an additional entrance to Carrs Landing, even if it only for emergency purposes.

 

Hans Gubler, 13874 Moberly Road

·        In regards to the alternative access, what percent of the 38 against are on Moberly road?

 

      Mike Youngest, 16555 Barkley Road

·        The map shows a dotted line as the realignment of Barkley Road that currently runs directly through several of properties.

·        The Committee advised that the map in question is a District map.

·        The indicated line is a proposed road allowance if a subdivision were to be built.

 

      Ched Gaglardi, 15001 Barkley Road

·        Does secondary Road access have to include Barkley Road or is there another route?

·        There are going to be more cars in this area and the District advised that Barkley Road will not be the additional route due to the terrain and the amount of property owners.

 

      Wendy Monteith,  15050 Carr’s Landing Road

·        Ms. Monteith finds these meetings frustrating.  It appears that there are many realtors or people interested in subdividing in attendance.

·        Ms. Monteith property seems to be lumped in with Whisky Cove which she does not believe is correct and is completely opposed to.

·        She believes that most residents want rural living in Carrs Landing.

·        Ms. Monteith is confused as to why council voted against Whisky Cove development and there appears to be more development in the area.

·        Ms. Monteith was advised that the Committee cannot look at lots on an individual lot basis.  A neighborhood plan might be better suited for specified concerns.

·        It was recommended that Ms. Monteith study the maps and survey results. 

 

The Committee advised that a Sector Plan will provide the District with something to look at when development proposals come forward.   The Committee does not endorse increased boating and marinas in Carr’s Landing and would like to see possible alternatives suggested.

 

      Rick Davidson, 14324 Moberly Road

·        Mr. Davidson would like to know why R1 development is directly beside ALR properties. 

·        It appears that the highest density is being put in the smallest area of land, pushing development to outside areas.

 

      John Macdonald, 9522 Main Street

·        Mr. Macdonald suggested that if there is a significant amount of people that want development, the community might try and raise the money independently and not request assistance from the District of Lake Country.

·        Expressed his opinion that if the community desires shopping, they must have residential to go along with it.

·        A large town center can’t exist without large residential development.

·        Mr. Macdonald asked if possibly the survey results could be misinterpreted. 

·        The Committee advised that the survey was designed so that different questions are asked in several different ways.

 

      Dave Woolerton, 14330 Carr’s Landing Road

·        Expressed his opinion that the survey questions regarding density were not clear as to the definition of ‘high density’.

·        Concerned that once the Sector Plan is presented and accepted by Council, it makes the OCP adjust to the adopted Sector Plan and will open doors for developers to immediately receive approval for developments as areas will be pre-zoned.

·        The Committee asked Mr. Woolerton his opinion on what to do.

·        Mr. Warden suggested going back to the original OCP.

·        Mr. Warden expressed that even though property is zoned as R1 it can not be developed as R1.

 

      Julie Thomson, 17938 Juniper Cove Road

·        Expressed to the audience not to panic, more development will not be a huge concern.

·        Although the property is zoned R1 the land use will not allow high density development

·        Mrs. Thomson expressed that in the community she would rather walk by several moderate homes, than one large high-end home with huge walls and guard dogs.

·        We need development in the area in order to achieve balance.

·        Expressed that high property cost will deter low-income family dwellings.

 

      Lee Splett, 13924 Moberly Road

·        Information from survey has several different figures, which ones are correct?

·        The correct figure for R1 zoning is 0.175 acres.

 

      John Macdonald, 9522 Main Street

·        Expressed concern over civil work issues, as there is no infrastructure in this area.

·        Advised that the District will not approve a small lot subdivision without the services in the area so there is no concern for large developments.

 

      Jeff Greenwell, 13757 Lake Pine Road

·        Asked if there any provisions for townhouses or condominiums in the Sector Plan.

·        Asked the community where everyone’s children live.

·        Stated that there are a lot of older people in the community worried about large developments in the area.

·        Expressed concern that everyone’s children will have nowhere to live in the area because they can’t afford it.

·        Stores may close down as there are no people to spend money.

·        Asked the committee where are the provisions for young people?.

·        Believes that townhouses and residential units do not have to be considered a bad option.

 

      Ed Peters, 15025 Barkley Road

·        Mr. Peters agrees with Mr. Greenwell’s comments 100%

·        Mr. Peters was told when he purchased the property that he would eventually be able to subdivide and provide some property for his children and also retirement funds.

·        This will not be possible if people in the community are against residential growth.

 

      Wendy Monteith,  15050 Carrs Landing Road

·        Expressed the opinion that it takes hard work for people to own their own land and that it is nobody’s right to live anywhere. 

·        Suggested having affordable housing available in Winfield rather than in Carrs Landing. 

·        Concerned over paying DCC’s and we are not getting anything back in the community for it.

·        Believes that the community has to start working together.

·        Believes that people will be forced out of Okanagan because of Development.

·        Ms. Monteith does not believe enough people from the community are involved in the meeting.

 

      Debbie Goodon, 16675 Barkley Road

·        Agrees with Mr. Peters

·        Would like to subdivide to similar size parcels as other properties in the area.

 

      Lee Splett, 13924 Moberly Road

·        Inquired as to why the Committee is basing decision on a flawed questionnaire?

·        Believes that 0.175 acres is too dense for the area.

·        Believes that the survey did not get the correct answers as to what the community actually wants.

·        Would agree to higher density but not 0.175 acres, perhaps 1 to 2 acres is more reasonable.

 

      John Macdonald, 9522 Main Street

·        Expressed that the District has not revised bylaws assumed from Regional District.

·        Does not believe that the District has come into the 20th century and has not made any attempts to do so.

·        Believes that the District has a lot of improper information.

 

     


Ched Gaglardy, 15001 Barkley Road

·        Inquired about the time frame for Council adopting the Sector Plan?

·        The Committee advised that they are hoping to present the Sector Plan to the current council who we have already been briefed, before a new Council has to be informed.

·        The District has been pushing off the water study.  There is a group of people willing to pay for services but District is holding up the process.

·        The District advised Mr. Gaglardy that they will not do anything in regards to the water services until a Sector Plan for the area is complete.

 

      Julie Thomson, 17938 Juniper Cove Road

·        Expressed that the Committee has done a great job. 

·        Believes there is great potential in many areas.

·        Suggested the Committee sit down with several individual property owners in order to expedite the process and then take the plan to the District of Lake Country.

·        Believes the Sector Plan is close to being complete and invites a small amount of people into the area but not an overwhelming amount.